Episode 02: Andrew Dice Clay - The Day The Laughter Died

We're back with Episode 02 as we take on Andrew Dice Clay's double disc masterpiece, "The Day The Laughter Died!" Check it out!

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Testing, testing, one, two, three, one, two, three.

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What's going on?

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How are ya?

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How are you?

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How are you?

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You said good. After I scared the shit out of her.

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How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Aaron, sir. How are you? How are you?

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How are you?

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We just did it before. R4 presents the Comedy Record Album Podcast. We joined Ian Aaron Hello.

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Wait, wait, Comedy Record Album Podcast. These guys know those initials spell out crap, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:59

All right, everybody, welcome to a special R4 Patreon bonus series. Comedy record album podcast or crap, as it is affectionately known by its uh two co-creators here. And now we are a trio of uh hosts here. We uh are very, very pleased to have Mr. Aaron Martel joining the the lineup here, along with uh my good friend Lou Figueroa. Gentlemen, how are you this evening?

SPEAKER_05 1:26

How are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

I was waiting to do it first.

SPEAKER_07 1:31

Doing good. I'm ready to take another crap.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Well, in case it wasn't immediately obvious, we are going to be discussing the 1990 second album from uh controversial comedian Andrew Dice Clay. It's called The Day the Laughter Died. Interesting concept on this one, and he's talked about it a little bit more, like he was on Joe Rogan, talked about it a little bit, and and more so than he ever had before. The concept for this album, the concept was basically created by him and Rick Rubin of let's just go into a comedy club on an off night with no material and just wing it and record it, and that's that's the album. And uh it's kind of a risky idea.

SPEAKER_04 2:11

Yeah, that's exactly how it sounds. Yeah, I remember getting this, and it was right after the Dice craze, you know, and he had the album out, and it was everywhere, and everybody was reciting the lines, and you know, it was like another one of those records that you just knew all the lines to, and it was great. And I bought it on cassette. What year was this out?

SPEAKER_00 2:31

This was 1990.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

90, yeah. So I definitely had my license, so I had a car with a cassette player. They used to have the cassettes that you can like it was two cassettes glued together, yeah, yeah, yeah. Day the left, and I was like, what the fuck is he doing at first, right? Like, what was your first impression of it? You weren't like, wow, this is right, but you kind of were like, Well, this is really fucking funny, but what the fuck is he doing?

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Yeah. The first minute of it is just him inhaling and exhaling a cigarette into the mic. Like, you know, that's the whole first minute. And people nervously laughing because they don't know what the fuck is happening.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

You know, when you were listening to it, or you just, you know, you heard him just making all of these noises, you know, like his leather jacket, like kind of creaking and him going, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

I I can tell you that to this day, as I'm just walking around, I will often go, you know, let's just make that noise. People must think I have uh Tourette's or something, you know. Ian, where do you come in with dice? I come in with dice. It was probably about the time where he was kind of dormant for a while. Like he he dropped the dice and he tried to do a sitcom, and then he did a comeback on HBO. It was called Assume the Position, and it was like the big dice comeback. I think it was like 95, 96. And uh, so it was around that time I was I was getting into him. But I just I never was I I mean, like all the the you know, the dirty nursery rhymes and all that shit, like that's funny, but that the stuff I really liked about Dice was this stuff. I just to me it was it was always genius. There this album has a second version, uh Day Laughter Died Part 2, and I I think I like that one even more because it's not only is it off the cuff, it's real angry, you know. I I've always loved Dice, I always was able to understand that Dice is a character, and you know, and I I think I think his downfall in a lot of ways was there are guys that bought into it like he was a real guy, you know, and like thought that this is a you know that actually thought this way, you know. So yeah, yeah. Uh what about you? Where do you come?

SPEAKER_07 5:21

Well, I I think I come in with him with like most of America at the time. It was the Dangerfield special. He only had like a seven or eight minute spot. I think if I'm not mistaken, that special had like introduced the country to a lot of the wasn't Sam Kinison, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

It was the the young comedian special.

SPEAKER_07 5:37

Yeah, and Bob Nelson and a bunch, you know, a bunch of guys that ended up you know becoming pretty popular. But Dice stood out, of course, you know, with the leather jacket, the cigarette, the the way he talks like an Italian mafioso or something, you know what I mean? But he and and and and how vulgar he was, and unafraid to he'll just say it, it you know, deliberately being provocative. And uh, I'd never seen anything like that before. So that stood out. And when I was watching these things, it was on HBO, so you I'd watch them over and over and I'd start picking up the lines, start learning them, you know what I mean? So then you take him to school and you start talking with your friends, you're trying to imitate him. I still to this day, I can't quite I can't get his rhythm and cadence down, you know, the the accent, the way he talks, but uh, but we tried to, we all, you know, it looked like fools really standing there, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, doing that kind of stuff. And so I became a fan of his off of that. And then so for this album, uh, the first dice album was out already. And my cousin and I were both both had gotten into because his his he was his rise was meteoric, and his downfall was almost as fast. So he was already really popular. Um and my cousin and I were were into him, you know. And so we go to the store, we decide I'm gonna and I'm gonna buy the first dice album because I'd already I'd already I'd already had it dubbed, but I wanted to buy the actual tape of it. So I'm gonna buy the first dice album. Uh the day the laughter die was new, and he just he was gonna buy that. We were gonna you know swap them and and dub them over. So that's how we did, you know, on cassette, and that's how that's how I originally got this. And when I first heard this, I like you know, like Lou, I'm like, what the what the fuck? What is this? What is he what's what what's going on here? You know, it took me a bit for it to to really click because his first album is just like you know, it's a regular comedy album. He's got his his setups, his punch lines, and he, you know, he's just going through like a his regular routine, pulling out all his bits. This is not that at all.

SPEAKER_04 7:35

This is just him up there riffing, and it's not even riffing, he's just he's interacting with a crowd that's interacting back at him. Yeah, and he's what he's actually going for the silent. He even said at one point, he's like, You're ruining the silence, you're ruining the bit. But kind of grew up in an Italian family, so I kind of know guys like this. Yeah, for me, it's not really a character, it's like a guy, you know, it's like a guy I know kind of thing. So it was kind of hard to, it was like, hey, wait a minute, he's joking about this. It's like I know people that are not joking and they're like this.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Well, yeah, I mean, that's where we live, Blue, in New Jersey and Long Island. You know guys that sound like this, you know, like hey, you know what I mean? Yeah. I also think it was really impressive of Dice because he wasn't he didn't like start as a comedian like most comedians start out, like working his way through the clubs. Like he started with this other type of act where he did impressions and there was music involved, and it was kind of he did a Travolta thing because he's a big fan of Travolta and like Saturday Night Fever and that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

He's actually weirdly good at Travolta.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:44

He's good at most of his impressions. He stays in his wheelhouse. They're usually like Italian-American characters, or you know, that's yeah, but they're all usually pretty spot on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Did you come in the same as Aaron? Like seeing him on those those Dangerfield specials?

SPEAKER_04 8:59

On the Dangerfield specials, like begging my mother to stay up and watch, or like staying on like the top steps while my parents were watching HBO in the living room and like hearing them curse and everything and laughing to the bits, you know, but eventually they would let you stay up. But yeah, with Robert Klein and all the rest of them, you know, on the HBO special.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I think Dice's popularity too came from at it at the time he came out, most of the stand-up that was out was fairly middle of the road in terms of like it was kind of safe, you know, it was the guy standing in front of a brick wall, and uh, you know, that was the the vibe, you know. It was just kind of uh there wasn't a whole lot of stuff that was this dirty from my memory anyway. I mean, you know, you had your George Carlins and your and stuff like that, but most of the stuff was kind of down the middle, and he was he was like shockingly different than that, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:51

But Carlin at the time was turning from like that absurdist thing to like what we like know him now for, like the the cerebral provocative thing while you know while making you laugh. Dice wasn't doing that at all, he was just going straight straight at middle America. He was going straight at especially women, yeah. I mean, that that's you mostly what his targets are. I mean, that's basically his whole act is about sex and chicken. Very sinister, very sinister. Very sinister.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

But all the like this the misogynistic stuff that he got criticized for, like a couple of albums later, he kind of tried to to turn. I don't know if you guys remember that. There's an album called uh 42 Long. And he tries to like flip the script a little bit where he kind of like sticks up for women and like I'm your spokesperson.

SPEAKER_07 10:38

Well, from now on, girls, I'm your spokesperson.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

And he had a an HBO special that nobody ever remembers, and it took me forever to like get a copy of it, but it was around the same time, and the same idea was called For Lovers Only, and it was the same basically the same material as on 42 Long. But like I don't know, he kind of he burned out fast. I think he got tired of being dice quick.

SPEAKER_07 10:59

Yeah, well, because it's such a one-note act, yeah. You know, I mean, I think I think it I think it does get old after the the fifth special where he's just basically going over the same ground and doing, you know, I think it it just got tiring really fast, and people just got sick of it and moved on. I think that's part of the reason why his popularity went down. Not only that, you know, there was the MTB thing. Did you guys see that? The MTV thing where he he was live and he started and he went into his routine about you know the great big glob of shit. And nobody was laughing in the crowd.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

That's when he got banned for life.

SPEAKER_07 11:34

Yep, from MTV.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

There was a I think it was a little like uh stuntish of the because I I remember like on one of the MTV music awards, they had you remember that character that David Spade did on Sending It Live where he was like the uh the receptionist, and famous people will walk in, he'd be like, and you are like he never knew anybody famous, and he was like real, like you know, he was doing that character sitting outside the MTV music awards, and Dice and Pinhead from Hellraiser walk up and it's like and he looks at the list, he's like, Andrew Clay, bann for life. It's gonna be a minute, you know. Like so I think I think that was a little, you know, they did that for a little bit of a publicity angle, too.

SPEAKER_07 12:17

You know, yeah, because didn't he he did uh SNL, I think not long after the MTV thing, and I think that was the first time they they put it on a delay. One of the cast members, Nora Dunn, refused to do the show. She boycotted it because of him.

SPEAKER_04 12:31

And where is Nora now?

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah, but it's so silly. Like you would have to recognize that it's it's an it's his act, it's not, you know, like talk to the guy, figure it out, you know, like to understand that what he's doing rather than just you know, I think that's like an intention-seeking thing, too, when people do that.

SPEAKER_07 12:49

Yeah, but I think also in the beginning, like in the in the because he he blew up in the late 80s, right? Yeah, when he did interviews and stuff stuff like that, you're like on the Stern show or or whatever, whatever he stayed in that character, right? He didn't admit to it being a bit until a few years later. I think when when the shit was really coming down on him, he finally was like, Wait, he's like, Wait, man, you know, this this is this isn't real, this is a character, you know.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Like throwing shit, you know, at you know, on streets and stuff. I remember those Stern interviews were hysterical. Yeah, they were great.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

And then he kind of gravitated to uh Opian Anthony years later and had some good times on there, too. Some real funny stuff. Oh, yeah, the dialogue between him and Anthony is just well, Anthony can do a masterful impression of dice, the best one I've ever heard. It sounds just like him.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

He used to piss him off, dude.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

But I mean, as far as this record goes, there's so much material here that to like to go through that I don't even know where to start. Like, where do you start with this one? I mean, I guess the the right off the bat is is something the first kiss.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Yeah, it was a nice day. Really was. I saw my uh 14-year-old nephew, and he was telling me, you know, there's this girl he liked in school, and for Christmas, she gave him like a Christmas kiss, you know. It's his first kiss, he was all excited about it. And that's nice, you know, because you remember those things, you know, your first kiss. I remember mine. Some hooker on Mermaid Avenue. Five bucks and all you could fucking eat. She blew me also, but I didn't want to. I've been back since dozen times or so. Maybe two dozen. I'm there three times a week.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

It's funny throughout this album, people keep yelling out to him, you know, do the do the rhymes, do the rhymes, you know. And he's like, and there's one great one where he's quiet for like a minute, and he's like, No, no. No, stupid.

SPEAKER_07 15:16

If I wanted to do rhymes, I'd do them.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

I did two hours last night. You missed it.

SPEAKER_07 15:22

But that was his first calling card. That's the first thing we saw on Dangerfield. That's actually the first thing that made him popular. Actually, it was not so much of the sex and ripping women stuff, was the nursery rhymes, the dirty nursery rhymes.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

And those rhymes are kind of like, I believe, actually, they're kind of like the stuff that Lou talks about, those old party records, you know. Like, yeah, that was what those old party records were like, shit like that, you know. But yeah, no place for those rhymes on this uh record, that's for sure. He does I think he does a couple of variations on them at the end, right?

SPEAKER_07 15:51

Yeah, just to kind of mock the crowd, you know. Let's you only want an old bit.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Let's see if we can do doesn't he do like hickory dickory duck, your wife was sucking my guy. And I I happen to like too. I think it's the thing that he gets in trouble for when he does a conversation between him and like his girlfriend or whatever, the voice he does for a woman is always got the voice.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

They lit the tree again.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

So every year your girlfriend goes, Let's go see the tree.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

And I said, Why? You saw him light it on fucking TV. Think it's gonna look different when you're closer? It's the same setup every year. Big, stupid tree with a bunch of fucking bulbs hanging off of it. A neighbors got a tree, it ain't as big, but why go through the fucking traffic?

SPEAKER_04 16:54

Well, it's the holiday spirit.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Shut your fucking hole and get me dinner. You want to go to a tree? I need something neat. Let's deal.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

When he's first interacting with people in the crowd, and some of them are getting mad. Like, if because throughout this, you'll hear like, where you going? People walking out and shit. Yeah. But then there's those people that's thinking.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

There's that one woman you can hear her yelling at him. Nobody fucks with dice. Dice does the fucking. What are you going? You're gonna go take a dump?

SPEAKER_06 17:34

Doesn't sense. She's leaving.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

It's a guy, Jacob. We gonna kick Jacob here, the first of the night. Just listen up, shut your mouth and pay attention. Maybe you'll do a little better next time. You shut up. You shut your damn home. Where did you come from anyway? Exactly. Did you like the Jericho segment? What was it that threw you? The ants eating, the uh I don't know, maybe it was something I said that uh annoyed him. Have a happy new year.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

We got him. But that's I I thought that was like a setup when I first heard, but no, that's definitely really funny.

SPEAKER_07 18:38

Such a jerk. It takes a bit for it to click, but once you really get into what what he's doing and what's happening, then all of a sudden it just becomes funny as fuck. I I mean I I would go as far as to say this is like this might be one of my favorite comedy albums of all time. It might be but it might be my very favorite because it's so different and it's so crazy. We've been quoting this album for the last uh month and getting getting ready for this, like almost daily, just throwing out lines from this thing. It's so quotable, yet it's so like rambling and and there's a big long pauses. I mean, you can really tell it's not a regular comedy show. It's like it's like you were saying, he's just he's just going up there. I don't know the fucking thing, next fucking thing out of my mouth, and you can tell.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Yeah, and it's it's kind of like crowd work mostly, and and that's a very big thing now. Like a lot of the if you're on YouTube or you know, Instagram or anything, scrolling through a lot of comedians' clips are them doing crowd work, and crowd work's very big. And it's like this is almost like the OG crowd work. You never heard somebody like put out material that was like this. This was just shit they did in the club, yeah. And then they prepared an i a perfect set and put out an album or a special, you know. Yeah, this is like the in-between stuff. I that's why I think it's so kind of cool.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

It's like whatever just came up in his head, it came out of his mouth, and then he responded to people responding to it, yep. Which is even funnier because he didn't give a fuck whether he had a laugh or not. He just he he actually wanted to have to he wanted the bomb, he wanted to just go in there and bomb, which is funny as I think he was almost annoyed at times that he was it was going over, you know.

SPEAKER_07 20:21

Yeah, but he was what he was one of the biggest comics in the planet at the time, and you know that there were some people there who were who had to be fans, even if they didn't know he was gonna be there, and they're the ones who are laughing and bringing it up, you know what I mean. So he's he he's got a mixture of people who are just despising what he's doing, and then you people are laughing.

SPEAKER_04 20:39

Yeah, the people who got it, and yeah, back our back, get it.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Well, let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

People fucking laughing there.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

What it doesn't first time I heard that bit, I I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh. I'm like, what's he doing? He's just saying our back? What does that mean? What's that mean? Now I fucking laugh my ass off at it because I just realized he's just fucking he's just fucking around. He's not even, it's not a bit.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

So look, I've had a great time here tonight. You've been a phenomenal crowd. Good night. Now you see that kills it. You know, this could take anywhere from fifteen minutes to an hour. It could be a minute, it could be a half hour or an hour. Back get it? Hour back. Oh, you're back in an hour. Back, get it. So we could do this fast. We could do it in an hour.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Get it? Hour back. Going in an hour back. Get it? Hour back. Get it. Hour back. I'll call you in an hour. I'll get back to you. Hour back. Get it. Hour back. The fuck's the difference if I call you an hour in an hour back? Get it. Hour back.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Call you in an hour. Back. I'll get back to you. Doesn't matter if it's an hour in an hour.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Back.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Get it. Huh? You don't get this bit, do you think I do? Think about it. I'll wait. Take an hour. Back. Get it? Take a fucking two hours.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

You don't get it, but you're laughing. That's what it's all about. Doesn't matter if anybody gets it. It's funny. Hey, call it time you want. Laugh about it tomorrow. Laugh about it in an hour. Back, get it. You laughed again. You don't even know what you're laughing at. I don't know what I'm talking about. You don't know what you're laughing at, but it's fucking funny.

unknown 23:32

You're funny.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Exactly. It's intentionally trying to like baffle the people listening, you know? Yeah. And it's just great. Because it becomes more about his timing and his delivery rather than what he's actually saying. It's funny because of the way what he's doing with it. That's why I think he's so good. His timing is perfect. And I don't think he gets I don't because of all the the controversial shit and all that, I don't think he gets enough credit for like how good a comic he is, you know.

SPEAKER_07 24:01

Yes. I think that's yeah, like you're saying, Liv, that's the uh like uh unknown secret of his is is his delivery and and his timing. I mean that's what makes because some of the stuff he's if you just if you looked at it read it on a piece of paper, you'd go, all right, you know, but the way he says it and his timing is makes it funny.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

It's because it's genuine.

SPEAKER_07 24:22

I mean, yeah, it it it comes across as genuine.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

I I I do like on this one too, he's talking to like a daughter and two moms are all have the same haircut, they're all wearing the same sweater, and then the father comes back and he's like, This is a joke, right? This is a setup, yeah. It's got the same hairdo and fucking thumb sweater. Yep. So how are you tonight? You having a pleasant evening?

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Good. It's girls' night out. Is that what it is? Why do you all have the same hairdo? It's horrible. The fuck is that? I thought it was caps. You all gotta like the same beautician? You related? Really? Is that your mom? And you're the daughter? And you're the tag alone. The tagalone. You got another daughter with you? Oh, you're the other daughter, huh? Hmm, mom and two daughters. I like that. This is a joke, right? This is a setup. Dad's also got the same hand doing dumb fucking sweater. Macy's having a sale. What was it? What made you do this? It's just rapping with your family.

SPEAKER_07 25:54

And you can't see it, but you can picture it in your head. Yeah. What what what he's what he's rip ripping on, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 26:01

And it makes you and it makes you laugh. That's pretty much, you know, you touched on something that's very true. That you pretty much this whole album, you can't see it, but you can picture the whole thing in your head. Yeah. And I'm sure it's pretty accurate, you know, when you're picturing Will Farrell wearing a vest.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

Yeah, it's exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

I don't know about you guys. I've listened to this now, like, especially I've been listening to it a lot, getting ready to do this. It doesn't seem like all that offensive, but I I feel like the last you know 35 years or whatever have really tamed it, you know, in in people's minds because there's been shit that's way dirtier than this, you know, since then. Not from him, just in general, you know. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

Barry, well, he's broken some barriers. He's definitely torn down some walls, especially for kind of humor like this, too. I consider him a pioneer, you know, up there with with Carlin and uh Pryor. Pryor.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of people will take exception to that if you mention him in the same breath as guys like Carlin or Pryor or something like that. But like absolutely in the same breath. The guy is is just as original, just in a different way.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

He had a certain kind of innovation, which all of these guys had their different ways of innovation. You know, Richard Pryor didn't do the same material as George Carlin. They were both dirty comedians, but they both did completely different dirtiness.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yeah. I would easily put Dice in the same category as that, in terms of changing the face of the the business that they're in, you know.

SPEAKER_07 27:37

I think his window of popularity was smaller, so people like to diminish him for that. But I mean, when he was on top, he was supernova. What what I think he's the first comedy act to sell out Madison Square Garden, right? I mean, yeah, that's always brought up, you know.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Yeah, and that album was, I think, wasn't it multi-platinum or platinum?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Yeah, Dice Rules. That was the Dice Rules.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Yeah, that was what, about 91? That was after this.

SPEAKER_07 28:03

It was after this, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

I think it was right after this, as a matter of fact. Yeah, I think he's a guy that got pigeonholed almost instantly. The core of the people that went to see him and liked him. He couldn't deviate too much from that, you know, the the rhymes.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

The same people that did that did the same thing to Bobcat Galtwaite, and then he was stuck just going like a fucking pterodactyl, and yeah, he hated it, and he's he's another one. He wanted to shoot himself because of it.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Yeah. Well, that's what the Day the Laughter Died part two is. And I I recently read somebody like giving this assessment of it. It's basically watching Dice like unravel, like watching be so sick of being dice. Yeah. And like at to the point that at the end of the album, the last track is him going into the crowd and about to fight somebody in the crowd, and then it just ends, you know. Yeah, and then you know, I mean, really, the the the public kind of fucked him though, because he tried to then go do something else. He tried to go do like a a sitcom, a different thing. It was like uh I think he was like a mailman or something like that, and he his wife was Kathy Moriarty, and uh you know, and people were like, What is this? Fuck this, and they you know wouldn't support him in that. So he kind of got you know, what do you do?

SPEAKER_07 29:14

He he created this character for himself, and like you said, he got pigeonholed and he got I mean, he did a movie, which basically he's the what's that Ford Fairlane or something like that? It's just him being the dice character. That's all that's all it is. The whole he's even used in his the same bits. It was pretty fucking funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

It was the movie is funny, and it's criticized for much like his stand-up is it's criticized for for being like B movie bad kind of thing, but that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be like one of those old like film noir kind of detective things, like where it's like kind of silly, you know. Like, and I thought that was a great movie. Yeah, that was probably actually the first dent in his career was that movie tanking. It didn't do well, and they anticipated it being huge.

SPEAKER_07 29:59

Yeah, well, me and my cousin were there opening night and we were laughing our balls off, and so on. We were we were his target audience.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

I'm jealous that you saw that in the theater. I really am.

SPEAKER_07 30:10

Yeah, he's kind of been uh he's a gen X comedian. He's kind of like the the the people that we're the one who grew up with him. That's that's who he really appeals to. You know, I I don't I can't see like certainly the the boomer, like my dad laughed at him a little bit, but he he he you know he's a boomer. He didn't he didn't love it, but he thought it was kind of funny.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Along those same lines, my when he did that comeback in '96, they assumed the position. I didn't have HBO, but my grandmother did. So I said, could you tape this thing for me? You know, figuring that she tape it and watch something else. No, no, she watched that fucker in real time and then handed me over the tape, and she goes, and my grandmother was English, so she goes, Well, he was rather dirty. I'm so sorry. That's funny. I was like, ah, way to take it. Way to take the hit. It's beautiful to like speak to two people that are so familiar with this record because I this is one that like I don't know a lot of people that know it or remember it fondly, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

Yeah, I think you were the first one, Aaron, that I spoke, you know, because I think I mentioned it or whatever about then.

SPEAKER_06 31:26

You were like, Oh, yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

Yeah, they left and died. I think I I mentioned something about it, and you were like, Oh, that album.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

Yeah, yeah. I listened to this every single year at the at the holidays. I listened to this at least once. Yeah, it's something I learned about you. Yeah, it's like a it's like a holiday special, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

I mean, I I listen to it at Alice's restaurant. Yeah, what holiday is it? That is it, oh, it's Christmas, right? You doing on Christmas? Yep, Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Yeah, you gotta have traditions, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

It's this, and then we watch uh a miracle on 34. Yes, right. They go hand in hand. But I mean, where do you think Dice overall falls you know, in the in the history of comedy? Do you think he his name is held up, or you think he's kind of slowly being forgotten about?

SPEAKER_07 32:16

No, I think he has uh he's carved a niche, you know what I mean. He's he's uh you could say uh you you could make a case that he's one of the giants of stand-up comedy, you know, all time, all-time giants of it, you know. Uh no, he he was influential, you know, and he he was controversial. People, you know, even for his time, I think more people are discovering him now, too, through like you like I'll see there's reaction videos of younger people watching the the Dangerfield special. I don't know if you guys you see these reaction videos on YouTube, like they'll react to music or or like this, you know, a little comedy bit. Dice has uh like is kind of rising with that people watching his Dangerfield special, and you know, people are reacting to that, and people are laughing. I think I think more people are starting to get it. Get it than uh than yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

So well, I mean, because it's it's hard to tell because like I'm sure Lou you probably have the same thing. Dice is good once a year around here, he'll come once a year. He plays the a place up here called Governors, which is a fairly well-known comedy club on Long Island. Oh yeah, actually, if you the Dice Rules album, after the Madison Square Garden part is over, there's like a you know, like filler for the CD that's in a club, and it was recorded at that club.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Yeah, so he'll come around once a year. So he still has because you know, this is where he's from. Yeah. So but I don't know if he's still like universally if people still recognize how good he is.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

And I haven't seen her since I met her a few weeks ago. And I'm walking down the street and I see her and I walk over and I say, How are you? She said, Good. After I scared the shit out of her.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

How are you? Have fun, boys. This is a good chat.

SPEAKER_07 34:32

It feels like we barely scratched the surface on this. I know. We probably didn't, but you know, what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Like you said, Ian, there's so much that it's so much subtlety, like you know, it's it it's all the interesting thing about this album is that even though it's a double, like throughout the whole thing, it's pretty much the same concept. And it's more like conversational than it is set up punch tag, you know. Like it's just it's hard to break something like this down, yeah. Yeah, other than like thematically, you know. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been a good time, gents, and I'm glad we decided to talk about this record. It's like I said, it's nice to uh find fellow fans of this one. Yes, sure is. Well, let's go around like we do on R4.

SPEAKER_06 35:16

All right, all right.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

All right, for the uh crap podcast. I have been eating it rice.

SPEAKER_07 35:24

I'm Aaron, I'm Lou Fagaro.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

We'll see you in an hour.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

Back up! Get it.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Give me like a nice soft, soft.

SPEAKER_06 35:38

Something soft.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Because you know, I I do want to thank all of you for coming in here and uh I know maybe I said a few things that were uh maybe a tinge off color. I mean I accused you of fucking your daughters suck his dick till the veins are blue, suck his dick till you take his goo. Merry, Merry Christmas, pull his prick, slap his balls, eat his ass till your tongue is brown. Merry, Merry Christmas, shoot your ward high in the sky, sprinkle it all around. Give her some, give her two double loads for you and you and you, merry, merry, merry, merry, merry, merry Christmas to you. It's time to go. I've got to shoot my goo. Take care.